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Desconectado Terry

Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« en: Agosto 09, 2011, 08:31:01 am »
http://www.hookahpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39836
Doesnt look like it to me... the engravings are not consistant on the whole stem... no engravings on the underside of the tray holder...
i have never seen an Elmas model like this even in their product range
 

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Desconectado Adrian.11

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #1 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 09:06:51 am »
saw it yesterday and I thought the same. the pipe is unfinished, or is a copy. he says he bought it in Istanbul, a merchant may have misled him. The windcover and hose do not look like the pictures on the web, and I think the  glass it's from Sahara-smoke isn't it?

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Desconectado Terry

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #2 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 09:43:05 am »
And the funny thing is everyone believed him that it is an Elmas... that vase i can get for 5 euro over here... That looks to me like a very bad copy of the 628... just goes to show what you buy and how misled you get when you have little or no experience
 

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Desconectado Hookah-burdar

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #3 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 10:45:44 am »
Here is the comment I also posted on Hookah-pro. Please do not focus on Brand names! Look at the finishings and quality of a particular stem. As for the vase, it is a standard Turkish vase, cheap indeed, but still I got such a vase (in very small size) with my first Elmas.

"I agree with that opinion, but mark that not nbeing sold by the ELMAS brand does'nt mean it is exactly as good if not better than an Elmas. I actually discovered a Turkish restaurant here in madrid, Spain, which has such pipes, very close to the ELMAS normal café narguile, with common pieces, such as the Tray holder, or the hoses, and I smoked out of them, and they were absolutely great. The finishing is up to the same standards and the pipe are massive brass and have copper downstems... So wether a quality Turkkish narguile is actually sold under the brand ELMAS or another, or without brand, means not a lot to me, proovided it is same quality, and thetre are a couple of on-line shops, at least selling non-Elmas, same quality solid brass pipes.

Mark that the same happens in Egypt: The mouldings, or pieces, which will later be assembled to become a KM or a Temsaah, or other quality pipes, are made at the same industrial facilities... Different although similar stylings, differents brands, but same makers, for the main parts. Quite clearly, most quality leather hoses from Izmir come from the same workshops, same as the brass ashtrays come from the same place, and the moulded pieces for stems (which will later be welded together in different combinations) they come from a limited number of workshops, or even from only one place..."

Let me add that I do not believe that this particular shape, the shpe of the Elmas 628 or "Islemeli normal", the prototypical café narguilé, from the fifties onwards, I do not believe this is an ELMAS exclusive shape, or one developped or created by ELMAS... This is only my opinion, of course.

 

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Desconectado Hookah-burdar

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #4 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 11:09:13 am »
saw it yesterday and I thought the same. the pipe is unfinished, or is a copy. he says he bought it in Istanbul, a merchant may have misled him. The windcover and hose do not look like the pictures on the web, and I think the  glass it's from Sahara-smoke isn't it?
Well, let me add that I would'nt say "unfinished" because those stems are moulded, not engraved... So the stem is less lavishly decorated, but this has to do with the mould, rather than with it being rushed over or not being finished.
As for the tray, I would say it is the same as in one of my ELMAS pipes.
The windcover, is different from the ELMAS ones, it is shorter but way thicker: I used a similar one at the Turkish restaurant (OMar Restaurante) , two weeks ago. It is a quality one.
The overall shape of the stem is roughly similar to 628 but slightly different, particularly the upper and lower sections. I find the pipe quite beautiful, actually.

Again, I would ask everyone not to focus on brandnames, but to look for quality.
True, brandnames were initially created to guarantee a given quality, but too often famous brands tend lo live on past glory or fame, and sell lower quality products: Look at what happened to clothes makers: A Burberry's raincoat 30 or 40 years ago was great, thick and very well finished. Then they started making them in Barcelona (and not in the UK) and now probably in Tunisia or in the Far East, and most of the range is of much lower quality. A Barbour waxed jacket now, even being quite expensive (much more than better no name waxed jackets) is of rather low quality and will last a very short time , even if cleaned, waxed and taken good care of. They are just way thinner and not as welll woven... Same happens to Levi's blue jeans... If a true Cow-boy were to use modern 501 Levi's jeans for riding under harsh working conditions, I wonder wether the trousers will last one single day in one piece...  ;D
 

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Desconectado Terry

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #5 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 11:24:07 am »
H.B the topic was posted as "My New Elmas" the rest of your comments experienced smokers and users are familiar with... thats all we are saying... I know better than most that there is a whole world of pipes out there to be had branded or non branded... and i have produced to the forums and to the market models that are not available elsewhere... would i buy an egyptian generic and post it up as "my new KM" think that is the point that is being made here...
 

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Desconectado Hookah-burdar

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #6 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 11:46:38 am »
H.B the topic was posted as "My New Elmas" the rest of your comments experienced smokers and users are familiar with... thats all we are saying... I know better than most that there is a whole world of pipes out there to be had branded or non branded... and i have produced to the forums and to the market models that are not available elsewhere... would i buy an egyptian generic and post it up as "my new KM" think that is the point that is being made here...

You are right Terry. And I know You know ;-) , but not everyone does... And there tends to be an obsession, particularly in the US, with leading brand names...
The guy should have said "My new quality Turkish narguile"...
 

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Desconectado Terry

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #7 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 11:52:18 am »
Totally agree with all your comments though.. just to be clear  :)   
 

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Desconectado Hookah-burdar

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #8 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 12:37:11 pm »
yes Terry, has a good "aficionado" and collector, I surf the web, and as many other forum members, and probably as Yourself, I spent some time looking for new sites, new shops, particularly in my hunt for Turkish narguiles: It is worth going to the ¡different on-line shops offering Turkish pipes, and comparing them. And looking for videos on Youtube too. GADUR, for example, arguably the number one German reviewer has at least an ELMAS pipe, but made several videos, including a review, about a no name similar pipe he bought (from a German site selling Turkish products (basically music) : This is the site: http://www.devranmusikshop.com/Nargile/Shisha/) for a third of the price of an ELMAS. By the way, on that site, go for the Brass quality one, not for the others chinese or lebanese, even if they say ELMAS... Prices for brass quality Turkish pipes are realy low on that german site. Variety is not great, thought...

I would suggest several sites selling Turkish pipes Maybe some of You do not know some or all of them:

http://www.yurdan.com/yrdn/Browse.aspx?BC=YRDN_Gifts;Gifts_Nargile&node=1

This is interesting in general, not particularly for pipes, who tend to be very expensive. Now, what I do is just comparing models...

This other one has beautiful vases and other stuff. The stems are not ELMAS, still they don't look bad.

http://www.nargilemalzemesi.com/tr/10-nargile-serleri-ser

I just discovered another one (Pasha narguile). It is all about searching the web, using the few specific words about hookas you might now in Turkish (such ar nargile (=hookah), marpuç (=hose), ser (=stem), ürunler(= products) and so on...

http://pasanargile.com/

This other one seems to sell ELMAS products...

http://topkapinargile.com/

Yet another one:

http://www.yaznargile.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=45


Then I remember the videos you posted on your site, Terry, about another workshop in Turkery, I mean not ELMAS, producing quality pipes, by craftsmen... http://mercannargile.com/


There are others sites...
 

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Desconectado Adrian.11

Re:Does this look like an original Elmas to anyone here???
« Respuesta #9 en: Agosto 09, 2011, 12:55:36 pm »
WOW... what a buzz to my head¡  Too info, LoL

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